Comments on: When redemption isn’t enough! http://seekism.wordpress.com/2005/12/10/when-redemption-isnt-enough/ the act of passionate inquiry.... Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:13:17 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Scotti http://seekism.wordpress.com/2005/12/10/when-redemption-isnt-enough/#comment-604 Scotti Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:21:52 +0000 http://seekism.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/when-redemption-isnt-enough/#comment-604 This is such an excellent post and a great exhortation for all discilples of Christ!! Thank you! We know that Christianity also teaches love and forgiveness. John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another. Colossians 3:12-13 So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you. I am sorry that you and others had to experience such unkindness and unforgiveness from your former church. I pray for the Lord's continued grace and healing on that situation. May the love of the Risen Lord be with you today, Scotti This is such an excellent post and a great exhortation for all discilples of Christ!! Thank you!

We know that Christianity also teaches love and forgiveness.

John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

Colossians 3:12-13 So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.

I am sorry that you and others had to experience such unkindness and unforgiveness from your former church. I pray for the Lord’s continued grace and healing on that situation.

May the love of the Risen Lord be with you today,
Scotti

]]> By: Paco http://seekism.wordpress.com/2005/12/10/when-redemption-isnt-enough/#comment-200 Paco Wed, 08 Jun 2005 17:03:54 +0000 http://seekism.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/when-redemption-isnt-enough/#comment-200 Roopster, Good thought's... however...I truly disagree that one can't have peace and healing without a phone call from this "pastor." I'd suggest that view reveals a pretty limited view of what a relationship with God can (and should) be. I'd also disagree that you can in any way know whether this pastor feels any guilt... if I were a betting man I'd say he does, but pride and religous deception can be greater forces than guilt. However, all these seemingly contradictory forces are "birds of a feather" (ie, different sides of the same disfunctional coin).I rejoice that the gospel is proclaimed, no matter a man's motivation... God still works through vessels of clay, even if they're half-baked! Paco... Roopster, Good thought’s… however…I truly disagree that one can’t have peace and healing without a phone call from this “pastor.” I’d suggest that view reveals a pretty limited view of what a relationship with God can (and should) be. I’d also disagree that you can in any way know whether this pastor feels any guilt… if I were a betting man I’d say he does, but pride and religous deception can be greater forces than guilt. However, all these seemingly contradictory forces are “birds of a feather” (ie, different sides of the same disfunctional coin).I rejoice that the gospel is proclaimed, no matter a man’s motivation… God still works through vessels of clay, even if they’re half-baked!

Paco…

]]> By: Paco http://seekism.wordpress.com/2005/12/10/when-redemption-isnt-enough/#comment-181 Paco Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:33:40 +0000 http://seekism.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/when-redemption-isnt-enough/#comment-181 Like all human endeavor's, churches like the one Roopster mentioned are deeply flawed because people are deeply flawed. When there are no "check's and balances" often the leader becomes mesmerized with his own voice... he becomes a power-hungry narcissist rather than a gentle shepherd. <br/><br/>If one feels the need to be in a "church" I reccomend reading "The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse"... it is a good guide to finding a "healthy" church and of course it will help anyone having been "crushed" in the powerful grip of an unhealthy church too.<br/><br/>Me, I find most of what passes for "church" largely irrelevant and in the "healthy / unhealthy" scale, tipped toward the latter... Like all human endeavor’s, churches like the one Roopster mentioned are deeply flawed because people are deeply flawed. When there are no “check’s and balances” often the leader becomes mesmerized with his own voice… he becomes a power-hungry narcissist rather than a gentle shepherd.

If one feels the need to be in a “church” I reccomend reading “The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse”… it is a good guide to finding a “healthy” church and of course it will help anyone having been “crushed” in the powerful grip of an unhealthy church too.

Me, I find most of what passes for “church” largely irrelevant and in the “healthy / unhealthy” scale, tipped toward the latter…

]]> By: Roopster http://seekism.wordpress.com/2005/12/10/when-redemption-isnt-enough/#comment-172 Roopster Mon, 06 Jun 2005 02:38:21 +0000 http://seekism.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/when-redemption-isnt-enough/#comment-172 MIT,<br/><br/>I agree. It's sad to see the amount of people hurt by Christians who never take the time to make restitution because they go about their merry way 'forgiven by God' and walking in 'no condemnation.'<br/><br/>Paul MIT,

I agree. It’s sad to see the amount of people hurt by Christians who never take the time to make restitution because they go about their merry way ‘forgiven by God’ and walking in ‘no condemnation.’

Paul

]]> By: Monk-in-Training http://seekism.wordpress.com/2005/12/10/when-redemption-isnt-enough/#comment-171 Monk-in-Training Mon, 06 Jun 2005 02:31:23 +0000 http://seekism.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/when-redemption-isnt-enough/#comment-171 In the Daily Office, there is a prayer that contains the line: <i>We bless you for our creation, preservation, and all the blessings of this life; but above all for your immeasurable love in the redemption of the world by our Lord <b>Jesus Christ</b></i><br/><br/>It seems to me that the Redemption was for us to be a blessing to all the world. Hard to be a blessing if we are acting like jerkwads. In the Daily Office, there is a prayer that contains the line: We bless you for our creation, preservation, and all the blessings of this life; but above all for your immeasurable love in the redemption of the world by our Lord Jesus Christ

It seems to me that the Redemption was for us to be a blessing to all the world. Hard to be a blessing if we are acting like jerkwads.

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